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"Monette's Sabbath"
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 08:53:28 -0500
From: Mahlon bible@tk7.net
To: Monette6930@aol.com
References: 1Monette6930@aol.com wrote:
Hello.
I recently read your paper on why Sunday is observed, etc. It is well written. Anyhow, I disagree with a few things: in Gal.4:10, what days and seasons and years had theses Galatians observed? It wasn't the Sabbath, or God's Holy Days, but their former pagan holy days and observances. These people were Gentiles, and had no knowledge of the Sabbath before knowing Christ. In Romans 14, Paul was speaking about not judging one another. Not once in this chapter did he directly mention the Sabbath.Remember in Mark 2:27-28, Christ said that the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath, which meant that it was not for man to decide what day we should assemble, because it was already made for man by God, in the fourth commandment. Also, Christ said "man" not just the Jews, he meant everyone.
1 Cor. 16:2 the first Christians met together to collect money..it did not say that there was a worship service. In Acts 20:7, they were breaking bread, which means that they were assembled and eating together. Paul spoke, but it was not a worship assembly. How many times has someone invited a church leader for dinner, and that leader spoke of things of God, when it wasn't in a church setting or worship service?
Formerly, I did observe Sunday, because I just thought that it was the day for church. I never questioned anything, as to why Sunday was even observed. Once I did begin to research, I realized that Sunday was not the Sabbath. It is not the seventh day. I follow the Laws of God, and I know that I am also under grace. To observe God's laws is not a sin. Read chapter 3 of Romans and this will explain why the obsevance of the law is just. Paul observed the law, as well as the New Testament church. Well, I hope that I have not offended you-that was not my intention. I, like you, had the desire to inform. Thank you for reading this.
God Bless,
Monette
PS: Sunday observance was officially began by the Catholic church in or around 4 AD, the same time all of the man-made holidays came to be. If you look in a few encyclopedias, you will find this
Monette,
Thank you for the message. My heart goes out to you, and believe me I do understand where you are coming from, as I also was at one time a Saturday Sabbath keeper. I have updated my "Seventh Day" booklet, and this explains my position on the Sabbath question. Please read it again very carefully, because it addresses the questions and points you mentioned in your message. As for the Sabbath being made for man holds very true, and it is indeed a law of God. However, the premise of this command is very simple to understand. The phrase "seventh day of the week" is not mentioned, and indeed this phrase is not found in the entire Bible! This biblical fact simply means that the Sabbath is not determined to fall on the "seventh day of the week" (Saturday). The Sabbath was never mentioned when God "rested" on the seventh day of creation, and it is never mentioned until God instructed Moses. The Sabbath command was designed to only represent God "resting" on the seventh day of creation. Therefore the Sabbath day is not the "rest" that believers can by faith also enter in with God. I know these biblical facts are very hard for you to accept, but keep in mind Monette, we live in a deceived so-called Christian world. The Galation gentiles were a part of the ten northern tribes of Israel that Christ divorced and put away in punishment. Please download and read my booklet "Lost Israel and the Gentiles, and the Bible will explain in detail who the New Testament "gentiles" were. These Galations gentiles were desiring to come under the law (not paganism). Read it for yourself in Gal.4:21. This had to be the law of Moses.
Galatians 4:21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law? (KJV)
Anyway this is all explained in my booklet "The Seventh Day", as I understand the scriptures. Also please read very carefully the "email discussions" regarding the Sabbath issue, and also read my pamphlet "The First Day of the Week". My policy is to send hard copies of all my material (free of charge) to anyone interested. If interested, please send me your mailing address. God bless you. Please click on the following web site, because this site has the latest updates...
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Mahlon
From: <Monette6930@aol.com>
To: <bible@tk7.net>
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2000 11:38 PM
Subject: helloIn reference to the second Sabbath mentioned in Matt. 28, if you had any real understanding of the Feasts, you would know that immediately following the Passover, the very next day begins the Feast of Unleavened Bread, in which the first day and the final day are Sabbaths.
Also, please note that these feasts are not "done away" with, for if they were, then why in Zech. 14:16-19, do all of us celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles? I for one, do not feel "burdened " by obeying the Laws of God. Sunday was NEVER sanctified HOLY by God, no matter how much you try to prove otherwise. I see your point in your text. You believe that Paul held assemblies and taught on the "first day of the week". If you had bothered to read anything that I had wrote, you would've realized that the "first day of the week" was considered a work day, not the Sabbath. If Sunday was the proper day of worship, then why didn't Jesus change it Himself before he ascended to the Father? It is your right to observe Sunday, of course, as it is my right to observe the Sabbath. But, I think that it is odd how not as much care is taken in observing your day.
People go to their Sunday church, worship a few hours, go home and do their own thing . That is not honoring the day, that you falsely claim that is the correct day. I will continually pray for you that you will see the truth. I offered reasonable and solid scripture on my views, but your claims as to "the first day of the week" are feeble. Why must you pervert the word of God, and assume that just because "the first day of the week" (which is ONLY mentioned 8 times in the Bible and ONLY in the New Testament) is mentioned and that Paul met with other believers and ATE with them, that it is God's Holy day? Don't you think that Jesus would've made it so? Only God has the power to change the sanctity of His Holy days, not man. His apostles had no such power.
Oh yes, another scripture for you from Jesus Himself: Matt. 5:17-19- "DO NOT THINK THAT I HAVE COME TO ABOLISH THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS; I HAVE NOT COME TO ABOLISH THEM BUT TO FULFILL THEM.I TELL YOU THE TRUTH, UNTIL HEAVEN AND EARTH DISAPPEAR, NOT THE SMALLEST LETTER, NOT THE LEAST STROKE OF A PEN, WILL BY ANY MEANS WILL DISAPPEAR FROM THE LAW UNTIL EVERYTHING IS ACCOMPLISHED. ANYONE WHO BREAKS ONE OF THE LEAST OF THESE COMMANDMENTS AND TEACHES OTHERS TO DO THE SAME WILL BE CALLED LEAST IN THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN, BUT WHOEVER PRACTICES AND TEACHES THESE COMMANDS WILL BE CALLED GREAT IN THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN." The Holy Days, the Sabbath, the Ten Commandments are all part of the Law of God. I do not mean to sound so antagonistic, but I care for you, and pray only for your escape from the "weak and miserable principles" that you hold on to now. Do take care. God Bless.
Monette
From: Tkseven <bible@tk7.net>
To: <Monette6930@aol.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2000 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: helloHello again Monette,
In all due respect, Monette, your premise on Sabbath keeping is simply different than mine. I am not judging you for the type of Sabbath keeping you have chosen. Years ago I was also taken in by the same premise that you are presently in. Please do not judge me, because you might as well judge the millions of other sincere Christians in the past hundreds of years that happened to believe differently than you. However today in our modern Christian "Sunday keeping" society the Sabbath command is totally ignored, as you know. The modern churches might have the correct day, but true Sabbath keeping on God's time is not honored, nor is it preached and taught (if you know what I mean).
The Sabbath that followed Christ's death was considered the "Jewish" Passover. However according to Moses law it was considered "the first day of unleavened bread" since Christ himself was killed as the Passover, and therefore fulfilled it. Please understand; this biblical truth does not change the fact that this particular Sabbath was singular according to all the gospel accounts, therefore was the one and the same Sabbath day. The following day was called literally the "first day of the week", as all the gospel accounts clearly explain. Some translations however have rendered and implied this as the "first Sabbath", or as "one of the Sabbaths" (plural). Matt. 28:1 shows this fact if the correct rendering of the phrase "first day of the week" is taken into account. Matt. 28:1 is a very interesting scripture, and clearly shows two Sabbaths, if we choose to be honest with scripture. The "first day of the week" was when Christ rose from the dead; and it is called the "first Sabbath" by applying the original Greek meaning for the word "week". Monette, are you with me so far?
This is the premise that I have taken in writing my pamphlet "The First Day of the Week"; which you obviously have read. But also obviously have not understood, or have chosen to intentionally misinterpret it. In my pamphlet I have explained the true implications where this biblical fact leads to; since the "first Sabbath" has no place and is not mentioned in Moses law. My question to you is; why have you chosen to totally reject and ignore this biblical fact? As you know, you are going against God-fearing men that have spent literally many years of research and money under King James to translate in this manner.
You mentioned Zech. 14:16-19; which states that the "feast of Tabernacles" will again be commanded during the millennium (the Sabbath command will also be kept). Doesn't it seem strange to you why only one festival is mentioned in Zech 14:16-19? It is the only festival that will not yet be fulfilled, which pictures the thousand year rule of Christ; as you are aware. The other festivals (Sabbaths) were all fulfilled before Christ returned, which is why they are not mentioned in Zech. As my pamphlet explained; it is these Sabbaths (plural) that were destined to cease as explained in Hosea 2:11. Keep in mind, it was the nations that came against Jerusalem at Christ's return that were told to keep the feast of Tabernacles, and I might add, for the same purpose ancient Israel was also commanded. If you will check again, these nations were repeatedly told to "come up" to Jerusalem because this is the only place these feasts can legally be kept. These Sabbaths (plural) have truly ceased for the believers in Christ, simply because they are all legally fulfilled. They can no longer be kept in Jerusalem along with animal sacrifices and the building of "booths" according to Moses law. If we choose to observe these types of Sabbaths then we must go to Jerusalem; as commanded in Zech. 14:16-19. Please read it for yourself and believe it.
You claim that it does not matter that the phrase "seventh day of the week" is not found in the Bible. Then I must ask you in Christian love; why do you vehemently claim that the Sabbath is indeed the "seventh day of the week"? If the Sabbath is the "seventh day of the week" (as you claim), then why does not the Bible state this? There is nothing whatsoever mentioned in Geneses when the creation week took place, or makes reference to, about a Sabbath day! My question therefore to you is; why do you take it upon yourself to assume that it does? If the Sabbath day was made at this time it most surely would have stated this. Why does not God mention this if the supposed conviction and truth on the Sabbath day rests and is dependent on the Sabbath day being made at this time? It is not mentioned simply because this was not when the Sabbath day was made!
Monette, these questions must be answered by you, or it would be useless for this debate to continue. Hopefully you have read most of my material on the Sabbath issue, and therefore know my position. However you obviously do not understand it, but that is alright. The "seeds" were nevertheless sown in your mind, and it is a question of time, honesty, and sincerity on your part; whether these seeds will take "root". As I mentioned to you in my first email, my heart goes out to you in Christian love, and I will be praying for you that you see the big picture on the Sabbath issue. I do not want to argue with you anymore, simply because it would not edify either one of us. I will not reply to you if you are determined to continue to state your position, and blindly ignore the biblical facts that were presented to you in Christian love. You really do need to question and restudy what was taught to you by sincere man that also are taken in by the "Jewish Sabbath".
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In His Service, Mahlon
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